#69: Demystifying Cloud Computing: Interview with IT Specialist Dave Ginsburg

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Dave is an IT specialist and seasoned podcaster renowned as the host of the "In Touch With iOS" podcast. Dave and I delve into the world of cloud computing. With over two decades of hands-on experience in IT, an unmatched proficiency in business technology, and a love of all things Apple, Dave brings his genuine expertise to enlighten and engage his audience. In this TSL.P Podcast episode, we talk about what cloud computing is and explore its foundational concepts, benefits, and potential concerns. Listeners of today's podcast will hopefully leave with an enriched understanding of the basics of cloud computing for lawyers and the intriguing dynamics shaping the social media sphere.

Join Dave and me as we discuss the following three questions and more!

1.     What are the top three reasons professionals would want to use cloud computing?

2.     What are the top three reasons a professional would not want to use cloud computing?

3.     As we peer into the future, what are your top three predictions for using cloud computing by professionals?

In our conversation, we cover the following:

[00:29] Diving into Tech: From Microphones to iPhones, Dave's Tech Setup and Insights

[04:17] Demystifying Cloud Computing: From Remote Servers to Efficient Resource Management

[06:14] Exploring Cloud Computing Benefits and Concerns: Security, Redundancy, and Global Accessibility

[12:03] Assessing Considerations Against Cloud Computing: On-Premise Control, Service Management, and Data Security

[14:23] Enhancing Client Data Security: Information Security Plans, VPN Usage, and Two-Factor Authentication

[20:26] Peering into the Cloud Computing Future: Virtualization, Storage Evolution, and Industry Adaptation

[25:26] The Landscape of Evolving Social Media Platforms: Threads, Blue Sky, and Mastodon's Unique Path

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Transcript:

[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:00:IntroductionD.J. Eisenberg: Episode 69, what is cloud computing? And more my conversation with Ginsburg.

[00:00:20] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Dave is a podcaster IT professional and is the host of the podcast in Touch with iOS. The show that talks about all things iPhone, iPad, apple Watch, apple tv, and related technologies. Dave uses his real world experience as a 23 year IT professional and iPhone subject matter expert to teach and entertain his listeners each week, an early adapter of many Apple products, including the iPhone. You can be assured Dave will provide his views on the cutting edge of technology. Enjoy.

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[00:00:59] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Dave, welcome to the podcast.

[00:01:00] David Ginsburg: Thanks for having me, Mike, a lot. I appreciate it.

[00:01:02] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I appreciate you being here. I've been on your podcast so many times. I figure should return the favor and after the excellent presentation you did at Mac Stock this year, I thought you had something that my audience would love to hear about more.

[00:01:16] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: But before we get into the questions, I gotta ask,

[00:01:18] David's Current Tech Setup!

[00:01:18] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: what is your current tech setup?

[00:01:19] David Ginsburg: I have a MacBook Pro 16-inch M one Pro, which I absolutely love. That's the one I'm talking to you on right now. I've had that since it first came out, so it's been a great machine. I recently bought a backup, a MacBook Air, which I'm using as a travel laptop.

[00:01:32] David Ginsburg: I know a little splurgy, but I, it's a great little machine that's an M two, which I'm M two, MacBook Air, which is great. That's the current model it's on now. As far as you could see, oh, now people are seeing here, I'm sorry. I have to remember that there's all audio here that the, the Road Caster Pro I use here is for my podcast.

[00:01:49] David Ginsburg: So I use that to, to record and produce my podcasts each week. And as far as any other technologies go, I mean I've got a few other, I keep have another couple Mac Minis that I use for testing and playing around, and one of 'em I use for beta, all the rest of the technology. I have like an iPad. I've got a couple iPads.

[00:02:04] David Ginsburg: I've got, of course, mainstay of course, is my iPhone 14, pro Max. I stay up to date every year. New iPhone will be coming out as we're recording this probably another month from now. So not, don't be surprised if I'll have it in my hands at the end of September. So do you think the

[00:02:18] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: shipment supplies will be ready by end of September for the 15?

[00:02:23] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Yeah, hearing

[00:02:23] David Ginsburg: a lot of rumors, I've been hearing that there's gonna be some limited supplies, but I'm quite the mastery of setting my alarm and getting up early to place the order as soon as it goes on sale. So, but yeah, you're gonna have to jump fast if you want to get one right away. And that's, Pretty much been my track record for the last probably 10 I iPhones.

[00:02:40] David Ginsburg: So, but yeah, it's all gonna be dependent on what Apple did as far as working with the factories of getting ramping up. But from the rumors we've been saying that they are ramping up the production here pretty soon. Yeah, the supply

[00:02:50] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: chain I think is gonna be interesting this year. But before we go too geeky on everyone, so what kind of mic are you using there?

[00:02:56] David Ginsburg: This is a road pod mic and I absolutely love it. This is my favorite mic. I have all the mics I have, I've used. It's been the mainstay and then you're hearing I've ever, it really helps with make my voice sound good and I, and it's a really good mic, or not terribly expensive either, which is a good thing.

[00:03:11] David Ginsburg: It's not your Highend Assure or some of the other mics that are out there. And it's been working fine for me and so it's a really good mic.

[00:03:17] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well, I talked to you in person. And your voice sounds just as good in person as it does in the mic. So I think that might, well, I think the Row Caster

[00:03:24] David Ginsburg: Pro helps a little too, 'cause you do a little bit of mixing and getting it down to the way you want, want it to sound.

[00:03:29] David Ginsburg: Fair enough.

[00:03:30] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So what's in your

[00:03:31] David Ginsburg: ears? AirPods Pro got the second gen. So been the AirPods Pro user since the AirPods came out. And so, yeah, these are great. I, I really like 'em and I've been using 'em for the most part. Never really was You have the AirPods Max. I wasn't too interested in those.

[00:03:44] David Ginsburg: 'cause they're, I've got other headphones that I use. Wired headphones that I mix up depending on what I'm doing as far as listening to sounds and music and such. But pretty much the mainstay is the My airPods Pro two for when I do podcasting.

[00:03:57] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So now for the audience, as I did in the introduction, of couIntroduction a host of your own podcast in touch with iOS.

[00:04:03] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Yes. But also you have a day job. Could you describe just briefly about your day job?

[00:04:08] David Ginsburg: Sure. I work for a commercial property insurance company. I've been working for them for over 23 years. I'm an IT professional, I work with IT support. We're supporting all the backend of stuff when it relates to s supporting of the user community.

[00:04:21] David Ginsburg: So it's all technology, all time keeping things managed to work a little bit in purchasing, do a lot of my jobs are pretty much a jack of all trades when it comes into the IT world. So yeah, I've been doing that for quite a long time. But yeah, that's my day job. The, my job is my hobby of having hosting a podcast, and I'm on a couple other podcast every week.

[00:04:38] David Ginsburg: I'm just

[00:04:41] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: throw that out for the audience just to remind them that. You have, if you will, I think some topics to talk about that are gonna be of interest to the lawyers who are listening to this today. So let's start with the questions.

[00:04:54] Q1: What is Cloud Computing?

[00:04:54] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: What is cloud computing?

[00:04:56] David Ginsburg: Well, really what cloud computing comes down is it's really defined as a internet-based computing, which large groups of remote servers that are networks that allow you to share of data processing tasks.

[00:05:07] David Ginsburg: They're centralized, they're well as data storage, online access to computer services and resources. So really that's in a nutshell what cloud computing is. I can get really geeky and go on to work. , being, I do work in enterprise world that there is a national institute of standards of technology that kind of define what cloud computing is, and they really just say, I'm kind of quoting what they say as far as their definition of it.

[00:05:30] David Ginsburg: Mm-hmm. It's a model of enabling ambiguous, convenient, or on-demand network access to shared pool of configurable computer resources. So that means networks, servers, storage, applications and service, all that stuff is all in one place. We were so used to in, the past, again, my history working for, in the enterprise, we always had servers.

[00:05:49] David Ginsburg: No one has, no one's hosting, no servers anymore. It's, this is really where the advent of the cloud came to be. I know probably a lot of law forms out there are still probably hosting their own servers, they wanna keep it secure. As I could say, it can get very costly by having to manage that because you have to have a person full-time.

[00:06:04] David Ginsburg: That's just managing just that resource in itself, where the cloud computing model in itself is so much more efficient as well as economics. It's a lot cheaper to do a set up, a cloud computing service where you're going through in hosting all that stuff in out there in the cloud. Not have to worry about it.

[00:06:21] David Ginsburg: Someone's managing for you, but they're also keeping it very secure. You get the confidence that all of your data is secure.

[00:06:26] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And I wanna put a pinpoint in that, 'cause I think that's gonna come up in question number two. So going back to question number one, I'm gonna start expound upon that a little bit and ask,

[00:06:34] Q#1.1: What are the Top Three Reasons Professionals Would Want to Use Cloud Computing?

[00:06:34] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: what are the top three reasons professionals would want to use cloud computing?

[00:06:38] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Top three

[00:06:39] David Ginsburg: couple of the benefits are gonna be, is. It's strategic, it gives you a place where it's gonna be very strategic, where you set things up and where you, where you go, like you said. Yeah. I just hit upon that too. It's secure. It's very security wise. Absolutely secure. And you also can say it's flexible, very flexible, where , you can expand or reduce in size.

[00:06:56] David Ginsburg: When you get a server locally, you don't have that option. You have to stick with what you have and hardware gets costly. So those are probably the top three of the benefits is those three, strategic, cost effective and security. I guess I threw in flexible too, but as a fourth one. But those are probably some of the things that I would say.

[00:07:14] David Ginsburg: Give you some good benefits of using the cloud.

[00:07:16] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well, my question's gonna probably bleed into the second one here in just a minute, but you know, part of my understanding of how cloud computing works is that it's just not one set of servers somewhere else, right? That there is redundancy or servers all across perhaps the country, perhaps even the world.

[00:07:33] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So with so many copies, well, I could see that it helps with security in the sense of making sure you have a copy, but not necessarily security from prying eyes and hackers. When you do something like that, what is done to make sure that the information's secure, you're an insurance company. And I'm sure they have a lot of personal private information.

[00:07:52] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Lawyers , have the same with their clients, and of course they're worried about their information somehow getting out into the ether.

[00:07:57] David Ginsburg: Yeah. Well, that, that's why you would subscribe and work with a company of services. One of the top of that market is Amazon Web Services. Everybody's heard of that.

[00:08:05] David Ginsburg: A w Ss you don't even realize you're utilizing. A w s There's so many companies out there that are already utilizing it. They have redundant servers all over the world. I mean, they, that, that's what the great thing about it is the fact that all those servers are redundant everywhere. And if your data's not in one place, you can go to that bank of servers and grab it.

[00:08:22] David Ginsburg: Security is paramount. It's always encrypted. It stays encrypted. It stays secure. No one's going to be able to access it. And then they have stringent guidelines to that as well. So when you sign on with a company like that, Microsoft Azure is the second one that you're gonna look at too. Microsoft is very popular amongst a lot of the enterprise, and that's the same thing.

[00:08:41] David Ginsburg: They're keeping things secure. Azure has taken off. I mean, that's probably Microsoft's bread and butter of their business now. I mean, back in the day we always thought Windows and Microsoft Office, that was their business. Well, they've really spun off into this world of Azure. Azure's really the way of being able to manage things.

[00:08:57] David Ginsburg: So those are probably the top two as far as services that are gonna provide that, that confidence that you're gonna get secure places to store, they cost. So, I mean, they're definitely in a big corporation, that's nothing. And the fact that you negotiate those contracts and get the right, the good pricing as far as what you're gonna get to what you need, you gotta really base it on what your needs are.

[00:09:19] David Ginsburg: I mean, and that's the case with those top two. I mean, there's others, but I just. Mentioned those top two because those are the two big players in the, uh, cloud services, uh, realm here. Are you aware of

[00:09:27] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: any issues that while the redundancy, the extra copies if you will, is great to have like across the world in different countries?

[00:09:35] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Have you been aware of any issue with these providers having some sort of conflict with the country's law? Like there's something in the country's law, like it's like, we want a copy or you can't have this kind of information so we're gonna take a peek or we're try to get a crack at it. I mean, I can imagine that if I may, that you would not have a server, an extra server in China.

[00:09:55] David Ginsburg: Yeah. Again, I'm not of well knowledge of how data is stored in those countries. I would probably question if China is one of the countries that your data stored. Right. I tend to doubt that's one of the places that they would store things, but they all the rest of the servers around the world, I don't foresee it being a problem.

[00:10:11] David Ginsburg: It's more redundancy than anything else. Mm-hmm. When a system goes down on one location, that means they can kick in the other, right. Other servers, so you don't even notice it. It's done on the back end. It's flawless. So in most cases there, there isn't an outage. There has been some outages. Amazon Web Services has had some issues in the past.

[00:10:27] David Ginsburg: One. I'll go, I'll give a good examples. There was course, it's on the press a number of months ago. McDonald's is one, one of the customers of a W Ss. All of a sudden people are freaking out because the McDonald's app stop working, I can't access it. And they go onto their website. I can't order food. And there was systems that were down and that, that's just one example of many that have happened in the past where yeah, an unfortunate outage happens and Amazon tends to react and take care of getting it fixed , as timely as they can.

[00:10:51] David Ginsburg: Microsoft, same thing.

[00:10:52] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well, with these services, do the owners or the businesses, do they at least have a copy of whatever they're doing in the cloud, in their office or in their, their office building somewhere.

[00:11:02] David Ginsburg: And that's the thing most users and themselves a good example of on the Microsoft end of things, you have OneDrive is one of the tools that it's used for.

[00:11:09] David Ginsburg: Backup measure just kind of manages the front end of it. But you have SharePoint and, and one driver two places there. Things are stored all the time and. Lot of times, in most cases, OneDrive stores that data locally on a machine. So if someone had to access it and it wasn't able to get to it right away, at least you have that option with, when it comes to OneDrive and SharePoint, you can get places that things are cached.

[00:11:29] David Ginsburg: Again, I don't work on that end of the business as far as systems go, but I'm relatively knowledgeable in knowing that things are, when they're cached, you'd be able to access it. But the problem is getting access to those services to get access to that data. But in most cases, they have, like I said, the redundancy of having.

[00:11:43] David Ginsburg: A local backup of something if you had to get access to it in a pinch. Well,

[00:11:46] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: let's move on to question two.

[00:11:48] Q2: What are the top three reasons a professional would not want to use cloud computing?

[00:11:48] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: What are the top three reasons a professional would not want to use cloud computing?

[00:11:52] David Ginsburg: Well, again, it, it would be probably the, the biggest reason would be do they really want to have it as an onsite thing?

[00:11:59] David Ginsburg: I would say there, there are a number of different types of services that are in the cloud, and you've heard a lot of the acronyms like SaaS and P a s. I'm not gonna get too technical with that, but, You gotta think about it. What do you manage and what does the cloud service provider manage?

[00:12:14] David Ginsburg: Uh, traditional on-premise, you're gonna be managing things like application code and scaling runtime, your oss, your virtualization, your hardware. And your data configurations. So you all, that's your responsibility in a traditional on-premise. You go on and move on to all the other types of PLA services.

[00:12:30] David Ginsburg: The most popular one is software as a service, which or SaaS. The most people you've probably heard talk about that and all those things I just mentioned. Those are all managed by the cloud with the exception of data and configurations where you maintain that. That part of it that, and most of the time software as a services or SaaS is gonna be something like, again, like a Microsoft 365 mid-size business, like a law firm, or you're gonna talk about the Google Cloud.

[00:12:53] David Ginsburg: Google has their applications that are used as far as that goes. Even a service like Backblaze who does backups or carbonite, another one, those are all examples of a software as a service type of deal. You can have redundancies of backups too, so if you'd use, you can, all the services I just mentioned.

[00:13:08] David Ginsburg: On the backend, including iDrive or Carbonite or Backblaze, and there's so many others as far as that goes. In the business end of things, it's probably something you could look at. Dropbox is very big as far as having another place that you could do some redundant backing up, having your data in case you have to get to it somewhere else.

[00:13:24] David Ginsburg: Same thing with Google, same thing with Microsoft. Those are the top three. And I would say in the business end of things, iCloud is more of the consumer end, so I wouldn't really mention that too much, but. So, but that's really where you wanted to think about where you're backing things up or, so you have redundancy.

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[00:13:52] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Yeah, we, being attorneys and lawyers, we tend to use programs like lio Rocket Matter.

[00:13:58] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Smokeball, which are all SaaS providers for client relations management programs. so I think this all clearly relates in and I think it's great that you're able to share this with us. Sort of pulling on question two, what are the top three security precautions a professional needs to take in order to secure their client's data?

[00:14:15] David Ginsburg: First thing is just having a good information security plan. Having something in place that you follow as a standard. Keeping things secure. So, and that not only does that have to do with your assitants, but it has to do with your, attorneys, the users, so anybody who's on your network and working with your systems that have to stay secure, so you have to do a good job of keeping it locked down. Having a plan in place where you have a security administrator that's overseeing these things and making sure that passwords are being enforced.

[00:14:43] David Ginsburg: You change passwords every 90 days, is a good rule of thumb. a good information security plan is probably the most important thing of anything that would keep things secure in the cloud world.

[00:14:52] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well, given the complex passwords that we can create with programs like One Password, do we really need to be changing our passwords every three months, every 90 days?

[00:15:01] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well,

[00:15:01] David Ginsburg: it all depends on the company and all depends on what their policies are as far as that goes. Mm-hmm. I don't think we're there yet. And I know Apple's been talking about the pass keys for a while. They're looking to change things. One password. Yes. A good password managers, a lot of enterprise don't, they kind of frown on password managers, but they're also looking at other things like token keys and using a a, like Microsoft Authenticator is probably one of 'em.

[00:15:23] David Ginsburg: Okay. Yep. And so having that security in place to keep things secure. 'cause if you get locked out or you wanna have an added, the added piece of multifactor authentication. Yep. You could use those things and that's most important. I still think we have a little bit of ways to go before we, or we're gonna a completely passwordless world, as well as the changing of passwords.

[00:15:41] David Ginsburg: Most enterprises have fall into that category who want to just maintain a 90 day some companies or even doing 60 days, which I think is crazy. I think 90 days is a pretty fair, uh, a fair way of doing it and, and change you get. And keeping the criteria of what your password should be is important too.

[00:15:55] David Ginsburg: Keeping it relatively good, complex enough, you don't, don't, don't use password. 1, 2, 3, 4, and don't use. Off the wall, not some complex stuff. Don't use the name of the company. Those kinds of things you probably shouldn't do. But those are good rules of thumb to keep the net your environment secure and you're protecting the da, the data that's accessible through your cloud.

[00:16:14] David Ginsburg: Another thing is, is using A V P N and when you're remote, I mean, and having your V P N set up and restricting any access on the computer outside of the V P N. A VPN is virtual, a private network, and what that is used for is to keep traffic tunneled directly to your network and no outside. Nobody outside of that, outside of your machine can act and get access to it.

[00:16:36] David Ginsburg: So it's important to keep that enabled at all times. Some, most companies these days are enforcing a V P N rule, so if you're out, you're, unless you're offline, if you're online and it sends this, you're online, it's gonna automatically connect to v pn. And that's, I think many companies these days are doing it that way.

[00:16:51] David Ginsburg: So, It keeps things secure.

[00:16:53] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Do you need a V P N if you're going to virtually log into your office?

[00:16:58] David Ginsburg: Yes, I think so. 'cause you're outside of your network. Okay. You don't, you really don't want to not have that as a secure way. Anything, any traffic that occurs outside of your building where your internal network is.

[00:17:09] David Ginsburg: A V P N is definitely important to have because the V P N is, it keeps things restricted. It doesn't matter whether it's as long, if it's already outside of your network. There's no reason that you should not have V P N as enabled by default.

[00:17:22] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well, let me follow up with you and ask you two questions. What is Paki

[00:17:25] David Ginsburg: Paki again, I'm not, I don't have an exact definition of it.

[00:17:29] David Ginsburg: Pasky is gonna be like a digital way of using a password. It's a way we're doing on Apple with face ID and touch up. Those are kind of a digital way of signing into a system. That kind of gives you just kind of a brief summary of far as what that goes. I can't give you an exact definition of it, but that's what a passkey does.

[00:17:45] David Ginsburg: It just gives you other means. There's other ways of securing things. Like I use a, what's called a YubiKey, a Yu little thumb drive type device that has a fingerprint reader on it. Put that in your U S B port of your laptop or any computer and you push that and that's your username or your, that, that would be your way of doing a password as opposed to.

[00:18:04] David Ginsburg: Having a username and a password, everybody sets it up differently. Some people use the UB key as the username and then you still enter your password. Or some companies just use it straight out as a one way means of security. 'cause your fingerprint, that code is generated 'cause it's random codes every time you do it.

[00:18:19] David Ginsburg: Makes it extremely secure. So passkey kind of work along that premise is having, okay, what, what a YubiKey does and companies should consider those other means. Again, in the law profession, you should be concerned about any client data being leaked out or right. That kind of stuff just adds an added layer of secure protection.

[00:18:37] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well then my second question is, what is two authentication? Well, two

[00:18:40] David Ginsburg: factor authentication is another way of being able to. Protect a system from being able to get hacked. Anybody can get a password that, that's only one layer of protection, right? The second layer is using a program like Microsoft Authenticator fee or some of the other multifactor authentication applications, and basically what that does is it gives that added layer of security.

[00:18:59] David Ginsburg: Apple does it to, uh, and pretty much they've enforced it. Now, if you, whenever you sign up for a new account with on an Apple id. Basically what that does is it's gonna, you sign in and it's gonna hit okay, we see you're signing in. Then your authenticator app on your phone or your iPhone, I would say, that has a code.

[00:19:15] David Ginsburg: It's gonna ask to put that code in, and then that's the second layer of protection for you being able to sign in.

[00:19:20] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Excellent, excellent. Well, for our last question, let's have a little fun. Okay. As we peer into the future,

[00:19:26] Q3: What are your top three predictions for utilization of cloud computing by professionals?

[00:19:26] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: what are your top three predictions for utilization of cloud computing by professionals?

[00:19:31] David Ginsburg: Boy, that's kind of a tough thing. I think the pass keys, like we just talked about, is gonna be something that's gonna really gonna be a, a substantial thing. The advent of more virtualized environments, more than anything else, cloud computing does have. Physical servers that they use in, in farms that are in buildings all over the world.

[00:19:50] David Ginsburg: Right? A lot more mo more virtualization is occurring now where they have virtualized machines, virtualized storage. I could see that being, uh, future where virtualization could definitely come into play. It already does. Now, when you virtualize an operating system, if you're still doing a server, a lot of people virtualize the server or have multiple servers virtualized on one place.

[00:20:09] David Ginsburg: So kind of the same thing with. Cloud computing, there could be potential with virtualization.

[00:20:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Now, wait, let make sure we're clear. For the audience, could you describe more what virtualization of a cloud server is? I you correctly?

[00:20:20] David Ginsburg: Yeah, I, I don't know if I'm exactly right on that. I just make sure I, I wanna give the right information.

[00:20:25] David Ginsburg: If there is some sort of virtualization, the virtualized server in itself would be a place where it would, you would remote into it or get to it virtually, virtually, as opposed to it being a physical server. Basically, the difference between the virtual server and a physical server is virtual. It is stored on a server, but it's in, in a place where it's virtualized in one place.

[00:20:44] David Ginsburg: So you don't have, like, you have multiple places where it comes as far as way, the way the, the data is stored. Mm-hmm. But in most cases, it's still gonna be physical. I think really the future is in virtualization is a little bit of ways away in the cloud world. One of the things you're probably gonna look at too, is a lot of mechanical hard drives are still out there, and that's what a lot of people are doing with a lot of their big, large backups.

[00:21:06] David Ginsburg: Syn analog is a good example of a a NASS or a network of attached storage device, but everybody's still using physical hard drives, mechanical hard drives. In that end of it. But solid state drives are obviously here. All your laptops these days are all solid state drives. Right. But it just for now, cloud computing, cloud services and computing that they really haven't gone down that road yet.

[00:21:28] David Ginsburg: Really. I mean there are, there are people, some that are using solid state drives, but I think they're finding that the mechanical drives. They, they get their good life's work on 'em, but they're easier to swap. Whereas solid state drives can tend to be a problem, especially when they're getting a lot of activity all the time, so Right.

[00:21:46] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And they tend to break down easier.

[00:21:48] David Ginsburg: Yes. In that world. Yeah. I mean, as far as like in a laptop or a desktop, you almost, all computers these days have solid state drives, so versus a network attached storage, A lot of people are still using mechanical hard drives. As well as on server farms and such. A lot of are still using them, be it.

[00:22:06] David Ginsburg: They're using the smaller drives. Two and a half in some cases, right? Three, and are still out there. So, but there are some that are dabbling in solid state drives. The solid state drives of course, are more expensive with the larger amounts of data. And you can get 16, you can get 32 gigabytes of, uh, those 32 terabytes, excuse me, of a drive space now these days and probably even more, which I'm not even thinking about, whereas solid state, yeah, you're gonna go into eight terabyte and the.

[00:22:30] David Ginsburg: 12 terabyte, but you're gonna be paying dearly for it in the larger quantities. But you But two gigabyte drives have really two terabyte drives. Sorry. Two terabyte drives have come way down in price for solid state. So I mean, you can, those be had for like $120, whereas you go up to the eight and 12 and 16.

[00:22:47] David Ginsburg: 3, 4, 5, up to thousand dollars per drive.

[00:22:50] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Yeah, I don't have any, and forgive me, forgetting the term, the physical hard drives with the mechanical spinning drive on the inside. I don't use that at all anymore. And I've got, what is this thing I got? That's, I have a drobo that I need to kind of, you need to retire that.

[00:23:06] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Yeah. I mean, I have a drobo, I've been meaning to basically go through and erase and whatnot because, and I guess hopefully, I don't know, can I sell it on

[00:23:15] David Ginsburg: eBay? Nobody's gonna want it. Nobody's gonna want it if the company's gone outta business. And yeah, they

[00:23:19] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: completely

[00:23:19] David Ginsburg: did not keep up with, with, they did.

[00:23:21] David Ginsburg: Choice analogy is the big player now.

[00:23:23] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Excellent. Excellent. Dave, I appreciate you being on here.

[00:23:26] Where you can find Dave!

[00:23:26] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Please tell us where people can find you.

[00:23:28] David Ginsburg: You can find me at my podcast website, which is in touch ios.com. You also can find me on my YouTube channel. I have youtube.com/in InTouch with iOS, where I stream all my shows every week, as well as you can listen to my shows on YouTube.

[00:23:41] David Ginsburg: So YouTube's a great place to, to find me there. I'm on social media at the Mastodon. It's Dave G sixty5@mastodon.cloud. There's a place there still on X, all formerly known as Twitter at Dave G 65, as well as, yeah, you pretty much can find me on, on most of the social media, so you can find me what I have to

[00:23:57] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: ask.

[00:23:58] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So one of the social medias you didn't mention was Thread and I came across an article. Oh, I have,

[00:24:02] David Ginsburg: I have threads. Okay. I did

[00:24:04] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: mention that. Yep. Well, part of the reason why that stood out, and mind you, this is completely off topic for everything that we're talking about, but Thread, somebody said in an

[00:24:13] B?1: Is Threads "Dead"?

[00:24:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: A headline is Thread dead Threads.

[00:24:15] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Was it a Yeah. Threads? Was it a

[00:24:17] David Ginsburg: no? No. I don't think so. I think it's gonna, it's gonna thrive. They're already adding new features. They're finally gonna come up with a web-based, uh, you can, you get, you can get on the web with it and not just a mobile device. No, I think Meta is gonna, they see what they have there and they're gonna just gonna keep driving along.

[00:24:31] David Ginsburg: You have some of the more, uh, some of the other social media services like Blue Sky, it was like an invite only, right? Is start starting to pick up some from Traction. Macedon, as they said, been more of a, more of a hobbyist, more of a, or of a geeky kind of environment. But I think a lot more people have moved to it only because of everything what happened with Twitter.

[00:24:48] David Ginsburg: And then there's also another social media called T two, which is a lot Two, both these companies, T two and Blue Sky, were some people who used to work for Twitter and then they created their own, you know, social media. So there's so much social media out there and it just will continue to evolve and a lot of people are not so excited about social media, but.

[00:25:05] David Ginsburg: A lot of times you can't, and we didn't even mention Facebook. And Facebook is as much as people. There are many people who like it. There's a lot of people who dislike it, and it really all depends on how you can't ignore it. There's 2 billion subscribers to Facebook and if you're trying to sell something or advertise your product or service, it's pretty difficult to miss to to ignore Facebook.

[00:25:24] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well, if you don't mind me asking two questions.

[00:25:26] B?2: What is David's Favorite Social Media Platform?

[00:25:26] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: One, what is your favorite social media platform? I tend

[00:25:29] David Ginsburg: to use Facebook a fair amount. It's, I use Instagram and I've been like, I'm actually liking masks Done. The Mask Done has been a pretty interesting, and a lot of my friends are on there and then, and a lot of other popular people are moving to that platform.

[00:25:42] David Ginsburg: Same thing with Reds. You're starting to see a pickup of that too when it comes to that. So, You kind of can't, you can't ignore a lot of those social media. The ones that have, that are, that are coming. But there are some that are just, they're just kind of niche. I'd be interesting to see where Blue Sky goes.

[00:25:55] David Ginsburg: Like I said, I think Jack La Dorsey, the original founder of Twitter, is the one that started that up and it seems like it's bringing, picking up some traction. I'm seeing a lot of celebrities and a lot of other popular people are showing up on there too, so, so it's, it's, that's a whole nother probably topic we could talk about.

[00:26:10] David Ginsburg: Well,

[00:26:10] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: let's leave it as one last question. Sure. So, among threads, blue Sky, Mastodon,

[00:26:16] B?3: Which Social Media Platform Will Make It To The Future?

[00:26:16] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: which one do you think is gonna make it hard

[00:26:18] David Ginsburg: to say? I think threads probably will definitely make it Blue Sky probably could. I mean, Mastodon, the interesting about thing about Mastodon is because it, you could spin up your own instant of Mastodon, it's your own server, right?

[00:26:28] David Ginsburg: And a lot of people have done that. So it is kind of more of a, a niche in the sense of, of the computer geeks. Others that like to really dabble in that stuff and have their own instance. So I think all three will be around. We're all, we will all depend on if they can get some traction. I think Thread's got already getting traction with a lot of celebrities and a lot of popular people out there.

[00:26:49] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So I have a feeling that's where attorneys are going to turn to for their owns social media consumption and also for their own marketing. Dave, again, thanks. Appreciate you being on here. Thanks. Thanks for having me.

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[00:26:59] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Thank you for joining me on this episode of the Tech Savvy Lawyer Page podcast. Our next episode will be posted in about two weeks.

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