Text Expander is a powerful tool allowing users to create and utilize shortcuts or snippets for commonly used text, phrases, and complex scripts. By assigning a simple keyword or abbreviation to these snippets, Text Expander enables you to expand them into full-length text, saving you valuable time and effort.

Jeff Gamet, a former TextExpander evangelist, technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker, joins us today to discuss the benefits of using TextExpander and learning its basic shortcuts. Currently, he writes and hosts webinars for several companies. Previously, Jeff was The Mac Observer's Managing Editor and the TextExpander Evangelist for Smile. He has presented at Macworld Expo, Macstock, RSA Conference, several WordCamp events, and many other conferences. You can find him on several podcasts, such as The Mac Show, The Big Show, MacVoices, Mac OS Ken, In Touch with iOS, and more.

Join Jeff and me as we cover the following three questions and more!

1.     What is Text Expander? What are the top three favorite text expander snippets?

2.     What are the top three favorite unusual snippets that people might not expect a program like TextExpander to do?

3.     What are the three top favorite Windows-based shortcuts?

In our conversation, we cover the following:

[01:15] Tech Setup: Jeff's Current Tech Setup

[06:01] Understanding DACs: Jeff outlines what a DAC is and how it improves the audio quality?

[11:51] Widescreen vs. Multiple Monitors: Utility Comparison

[17:16] TextEpander: Explaining about TextExpander, Jeff mentions his top three favorite text expander snippets.

[20:12] Snippets: All about Snippets! and a Bonus - A snippet that generates a script!

[29:21] Unexpected TextExpander Snippets: Jeff shares his top three favorite strange snippets that people might not expect TextExpander to perform.

[38:46] Windows Shortcuts: Jeff's three favorite Windows-based shortcuts.

[42:54] Connect with Jeff: Discover Jeff's Shows and Connect on Social Media.

Resources:

Connect with Jeff:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jeffgamet/

Mastodon.social: mastodon.social/@jgamet

Instagram: instagram.com/jgamet/?hl=en

Jeff's Shows -

• Macro Voices Live: macrovoices.com/

• MacVoices Video with Chuck Joiner: podcasts.apple.com/tr/podcast/macvoices-video/id301371933

• In Touch with iOS (with Dave Ginsburg): intouchwithios.com/

• The Big Show (general technology show): britishtechnetwork.com/category/big

• The Mac Show (focused on the Apple ecosystem): britishtechnetwork.com/category/mac

• The Context Machine (with Grant Chaffin): contextmachine.io/

• Mac OS Ken: macosken.com/

Software & Hardware Mentioned in the episode:

TextExpander Website: textexpander.com/

TextExpander public snippets page: snippets.textexpander.com/

Equipment Mentioned in the Podcast

2023 M2 Pro 14-inch MacBook Pro: apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/

HP Z34c 34-inch curved display: hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-z34c-g3-wqhd-curved-display Rode Podcaster mic https://rode.com/en-us/microphones/usb/podcaster

Blue Compass boom arm: logitechg.com/en-us/products/streaming-gear/compass-boom- microphone-arm.989-000517.html

Logitech C920 camera (Sorry, this model was discontinued)

Audio Engine A5+ speakers https://audioengine.com/shop/wireIessspeakers/a5-plus-classic-speakers/ Schiit modi 3+ DAC (new model): schiit.com/products/modi-plus

Keychron C2 keyboard: keychron.com/products/keychron-c2-wired-mechanical-keyboard

Elgato Stream Deck:elgato.com/en/stream-deck-mk2

Dazzne LCD studio lights: amazon.com/gp/product/B07T593JR5

Kensington Orbit trackball: kensington.com/p/products/ergonomic-desk- accessories/ergonomic-input-devices/orbit-optical-trackball-3/

Transcript

[00:00:00] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Episode 61, learning the basic shortcut benefits from using Text Expander. My conversation with former text expander evangelist Jeff Gam.

[00:00:21] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Jeff is a technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker. Jeff was the Mac Observer's managing editor and the Text Expander Evangelist for Smile. Currently, he writes and hosts webinars for several companies. He has presented at Mac World Expo, Mac Stock RSA Conference, several Warp Comp events, along with many other conferences.

[00:00:38] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: You could find him on several podcasts such as the Mac Show, the big show, Mac Voices, Mac os. Ken in touch with iOS and more. Enjoy. Hey everyone, just a quick shout out before we start. Are you enjoying the Telio Page podcast? Consider giving us a five star review at Apple Podcast for wherever you get your podcast feeds.

[00:00:57] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Also, consider buying us a cup of coffee or two from the link on our blog to help the phrase some of the production costs. Thanks and again, enjoy. Jeff, welcome to the

[00:01:07] Jeff Gamet: podcast. It is so awesome to be here. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate

[00:01:11] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: you being here. And to get things started, please tell us

[00:01:14] Jeff's current tech setup!

[00:01:14] Jeff Gamet: what is your current tech setup.

[00:01:15] Jeff Gamet: My current tech setup is a 20 23 14 inch MacBook Pro M two processor. Which is a very nice

[00:01:23] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: little upgrade. Oh, oh, I have to interject here. So I've got the M one. Did you have the M one before you got the M

[00:01:29] Jeff Gamet: two? No, I moved from an Intel Mac. Okay, okay. Straight to the M two pro. So

[00:01:36] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I had the M one and when I got it it was like rockets.

[00:01:40] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I assume you've got the same noticeable difference between the two.

[00:01:43] Jeff Gamet: Oh yeah. It's surprising and uh, it's easy to get used to and appreciate the speed. What's. Taking more time. I'm still working through this. One. Is the fact that my, my computer doesn't make sound anymore. It doesn't sound like a jet engine on the desk.

[00:01:59] Jeff Gamet: Do you ever

[00:02:00] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: hear it cooling? Ever hear the fans running, say when you're doing a lot of processing at one point? I mean, even we go to the real extreme moments. I have never

[00:02:08] Jeff Gamet: heard my fans kick on. For all I know Apple forgot to put them in. I mean, that's how quiet this machine is.

[00:02:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Excellent, excellent. I love my M one and.

[00:02:16] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I've made no regrets and quite frankly, no offense, I don't see the need to jump to the M two from the M one, but if you have an Intel based Mac, clearly you wanna get either the M one or the M two. Now, it will make a difference in your workflow. Yeah,

[00:02:31] Jeff Gamet: I'm with you. Yep. I don't know if you've

[00:02:33] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: heard but. Mac sales have been down when it comes to the M two because most people are happy with the M

[00:02:40] Jeff Gamet: one.

[00:02:41] Jeff Gamet: Yeah. Which, I mean that's from a consumer standpoint totally makes sense. So I've got that MacBook Pro my display, I went curved a long time ago. Okay. So I have an H P Z 34 C curved display on my desk and people ask me about my keyboard a lot be, I guess that's one of the circles that, that I'm in. So I'm using the key Kron E two.

[00:03:03] Jeff Gamet: Mechanical keyboard, it's a wired keyboard. Okay. And I love that keyboard because it was inexpensive for a keyboard and still gives me all the flexibility of being able to choose my own switches and and keys, and it's just a wonderfully versatile keyboard. I've

[00:03:22] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: recently learned that there's a whole world of mechanical keyboards where people like to switch the keycaps, the switches.

[00:03:29] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: It just amazes me. I mean, I learned how to type on an electric typewriter and we still had to kind of bang down a bit and I don't know, I just like these flat, short keyboards, like I've got the touch ID that allows you to bypass security and Oh, sure, confirm security and. I tell you that fingerprint, I just love it because it makes installing things so much quicker and paying for things so much easier online.

[00:03:57] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And I know it's secure with the authorization that Mac has with all of its stuff. And I'm still amazed at how much I. People are really into, there are keyboards like you're talking about. I've had some friends ask me about this because I've been doing some interviews about this and it's just amazing what a whole world that is.

[00:04:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Yes,

[00:04:14] Jeff Gamet: it is a world that you can nerd out in as much as you want. And so tell us what else. Let's see. Okay, so I'm old school with my pointing device. I use a Kensington Orbit track ball.

[00:04:27] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Oh wow.

[00:04:27] Jeff Gamet: I remember those. I'm afraid that eventually Kensington will stop making them. So the last, I use them until they wear out.

[00:04:34] Jeff Gamet: Okay. And then I just get another one. So the last time I wore one out, I bought two. And, and the second one is tucked away in my closet so that if by chance when this one dies mm-hmm. Essentially, and it takes a long time, but if it, when it eventually dies, if they have stopped making. My favorite pointing device.

[00:04:56] Jeff Gamet: Then I've got a spare in the closet still in the box.

[00:04:59] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I just recently interviewed Annette Jodi for episode 60, and she was talking about her favorite keyboard is, I think it was from Microsoft, and she loved it so much that she's bought like, like four or five of them. She

[00:05:12] Jeff Gamet: got the Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard.

[00:05:14] Jeff Gamet: That's we're right, what people fall in love

[00:05:16] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: with. I think you're right. And she bought so many of them because she's afraid that one day one, her mach, her keyboard make break, and two, like they'll stop making them. So she bought, got 'em in the closet. I was like, I'm just, I'm amazed that people do that, but I've been pleased going I not because I do it.

[00:05:33] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Okay, fair enough. Fair. But you didn't do it with the track ball. You gotta do it with the track ball too. You're Kensington

[00:05:38] Jeff Gamet: Mouse? No, that's what's in the box in the closet. The Kensington

[00:05:41] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Orbit track ball. Oh, but how many do you have just one or do you have like three, four or five. Okay, that's

[00:05:46] Jeff Gamet: fair. I only have one in the closet.

[00:05:49] Jeff Gamet: Yeah. So I guess I need to step up my game. And, and get another one or two in the closet.

[00:05:57] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Be a true diehard fan.

[00:05:58] Jeff Gamet: Right. Yeah.

[00:06:00] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: But tell

[00:06:00] Jeff Gamet: us what else. Let's see. Okay, so I love my audio. So I have a set of audio engine, a five less speakers here on my desk. Okay. And, and because I'm into my audio, I'm running a d and, and what's the people that don't know?

[00:06:14] Jeff Gamet: It's digital to analog converter. So when you get sound out of your computer, it's digital. Okay. But it needs to become not digital for your speakers. Mm-hmm. Right. And that's what a D does. So there's one built into your computer. There's one built into your smartphone, but you can get better so you can get higher quality, so you get better audio quality overall.

[00:06:35] Jeff Gamet: You can play like High Reds audio files and take full advantage of all of what those audio files can have. So I have an external D and, and I'm going to tell you the name, but I'm prefacing this with. I am not swearing. I have the shit Modi three plus stack and that's okay. S C H I T and, and. It's fantastic.

[00:06:57] Jeff Gamet: So the audio quality that I get out of my speakers is substantially better than what I can get if the audio's coming just straight from the computer to the speakers.

[00:07:08] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Could you please briefly describe how it increases the quality or the sound, if that makes

[00:07:15] Jeff Gamet: any sense? Sure. Okay. So. There, there's a little chip in your computer and what it's doing is processing that, that digital, so that it becomes the audio you ultimately hear, there are different quality levels of those chips and, and you have different bit rates and bit depth that they can handle.

[00:07:37] Jeff Gamet: So like, like in my computer, it's 48 K is what it is, what it can do. Right. And older computers. It'll be like 24 K. And so with this D that I have, I can go up to over 300 K, which is ridiculous because there's no way that our brains can perceive any of that. But it lets me go substantially higher for that, for the quality of the audio files than my computer itself can, can handle.

[00:08:07] Jeff Gamet: And then the way it's actually processing that data, it's, it's giving you better. Conversion, if you will, of the digital to the analog. So it'd be like, I'll compare it to a television for you. So let's say you have that signal coming into your television and you can have like a, a cheap, a hundred dollars TV that you picked up at the big box store and the images looks fine.

[00:08:30] Jeff Gamet: Or you can go to, to a specialty store where you get a television that has much higher overall quality and it takes that data and processes it. So you get a better image. Mm-hmm. And it has the better screen anyhow, so when you compare. That, that basic television to the high-end television, the video that you're seeing is going to look much better on the high end television.

[00:08:55] Jeff Gamet: Okay. I get it. It's the same sort of thing with sound, just you can have fine sound or you can have really good

[00:09:01] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: sound. That's something to consider, especially since more and more of us are watching movies and listening to music on our computers and laptops. Huh. I'll have to consider that. But, but please continue.

[00:09:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Anything else? Oh, we

[00:09:14] Jeff Gamet: could go on all day. Since my office is also my recording studio, right? Right. Like right now I'm using a road podcast or microphone. Okay. When I'm doing video work for most shows, I don't need a camera that does higher resolution than the Logitech C nine 20. So that's still what I'm using for video stuff.

[00:09:33] Jeff Gamet: Is that

[00:09:33] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: a 4k or, or is that a 10 81 dpi? Th This is, yeah,

[00:09:38] Jeff Gamet: this is a 10 80 P camera, not 4k.

[00:09:40] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And why do you limit your video to the 10 81?

[00:09:45] Jeff Gamet: The reason that I'm doing that is because for the types of shows that I'm doing, there will be no additional value in the, okay. The higher resolution video that I would be capturing, because they're not going to be outputting anything higher than 10 80 p.

[00:10:01] Jeff Gamet: And in many cases it's a live show. Right. And so you don't want to burden whoever is doing the show. With more data than they really need to have.

[00:10:12] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Well, you know, going back to your analogy about sounds, you can buy either the low end at the big box store and get solid, decent holiday versus going to. The specialty store and getting something with a little something extra.

[00:10:28] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And one of the things I noticed was like when I had like a seven 20, I can't remember the right terminology for the tv, but this was before flat screens and one k. Came out and I put in, like for the cable company, I would watch channels in hd. Mm-hmm. Which was a signal stronger and better than say the seven 20 T p I and I could tell a difference.

[00:10:55] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Watching those channels on a, on a lesser fine tv, if you will, and the quality of the picture. So I always, so I was kind of wondering like if maybe even though the person's only gonna get it and one, one k, if we can use that term versus. Me sending it out in 4k, cause I'm using a Logitech Brio right now.

[00:11:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And even though it's not going, it's not the right size, if you will, for the lower quality videos, but still the user may see something a little bit better in what they're observing. Does that make sense? Oh,

[00:11:26] Jeff Gamet: but that makes sense. Sure. I mean, the more data you can send regardless of what can ultimately be processed out, I mean to a degree, the better off you are.

[00:11:37] Jeff Gamet: Gotcha. And yeah, the brio that you're using, that's a really nice camera. I wanna

[00:11:42] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: go back, I think you mentioned earlier, what is the utility you find in having a wide screen monitor, say, versus maybe three different monitors on your desktop? For

[00:11:51] Jeff Gamet: me, this is about having all of that screen real estate, but having it in a single focused point.

[00:11:59] Jeff Gamet: So for the screen that I have, HP did this, this incredible engineering with it where they figured out, What is exactly the right curve so that when I look at the center of my screen versus look at the edges, The focal distance doesn't change. Okay, I understand that. And, and so that's a big thing for me because I spend so much time in front of my display.

[00:12:21] Jeff Gamet: It also for me is more efficient because I don't have to fill up space on my desk or in front of me with additional display arms to, to have these displays kind of stretched way out. That makes sense. And I have found that for me, working from a single display, having been someone that was a multidi display person previously, it's more efficient for me

[00:12:45] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: and I, I've heard a lot about that too, how keeping your eyes focused just on the one screen can help you stay a little bit more focused on the work that you're doing.

[00:12:54] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I personally, I'm a three screen monitor set up. It's just the way my mind works cuz I could separate things out and keep them also kind of in the same sense, consistent. So like if I'm working on a Word document, but need to do some research online, but keep an eye on my email, I can go back and forth between the two and then when I need to go over to say to the third, I can just easily do that in my mind at least.

[00:13:17] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: But thing is, as I mentioned earlier, What works best for you is what works best for you. Mm-hmm. What works best for me may not necessarily work what's best for you. So as I say to each of their own, and I just always like hearing from other people who have a different setup. That being said, do you find the quality of the screen say not as good as some of the more comparable monitors that are not wide screened like yours?

[00:13:44] Jeff Gamet: Or curved, it comes down to doing your research and finding the quality display. So in my case, no. And as a matter of fact, when I bought this display, it wasn't even offered a, as a 4K display. So it's just a, the resolution is just a little under 4k. Okay. And it doesn't matter because the image quality is more than good enough for what I need.

[00:14:08] Jeff Gamet: And as I say that, I think it sounds a little bit like, like I was compromising. With image quality. But no, it's a really good image and it's so good that when I started looking at 4K monitors as an alternative, I realized this actually does everything that I need. There's no point in replacing this display was something else.

[00:14:29] Jeff Gamet: Just for the sake of saying, I have 4K when I already have a really good image. Well, let me ask you

[00:14:35] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: this. So do you mostly use your monitor, your screen for video, audio, or for reading and writing? Well,

[00:14:46] Jeff Gamet: my career is based on writing. So a substantial amount of my time is spent looking at the screen and looking at text, whether I'm writing it or reading it, but I'm podcasting multiple times every week.

[00:15:00] Jeff Gamet: So there's a lot of video that's happening on my screen as well. See, the reason

[00:15:05] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: why I ask is I got the X D R within the last six months because I knew I was gonna be doing more content creation for the podcast and for the blog, and also doing some blog. And I love it. It's a gorgeous display and I've got my four two 4K s flanking me left and right.

[00:15:23] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: They're lgs, they're solid machines, but I'm looking at it basically a six K monitor, and as I'm in my early fifties, I. It's just a little bit easier to read and I could see we're an update to a 5k or if I have an extra $12,000, I'll get two more xrs. But sure, we have like, we have extra 12 and I'd be happy camper.

[00:15:47] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So that's kind of why I was asking about the curved monitor as to doing a lot of reading. Keep doing a lot of writing and it's just amazing how it makes such a huge leap in the quality of your screen, but it makes a minor yet significant difference in the text you're

[00:16:04] Jeff Gamet: reading. Hopefully I make, I get what you're saying.

[00:16:06] Jeff Gamet: So when I'm working away from my main desk, I'll be working using the display that's built into my laptop. Okay. Which is significantly a higher resolution than this H B Z 34 c. Gotcha. I mean, yes, I can see the difference in the text. Mm-hmm. But in many cases it's not a difference that is significant enough for me to think, wow, I don't have clear, crisp text on my big display.

[00:16:36] Jeff Gamet: I better replace it if that were the case. This display would've been gone like within a week after me getting the new laptop.

[00:16:43] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Gotcha. I understand what you're saying. And like I said, to each their own I, my eyes seem to be just going a little bit to the degree that's just kind of beginning to bother me.

[00:16:53] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And who knows, maybe one day I'll have a nice settlement and that'll be the case and I'll be getting a couple more xdr and maybe they'll put 'em on sale or something. We both know Apple doesn't put on sale anything. But tell you what, let's get into the questions. Okay.

[00:17:08] Question #1: What is Text Expander and what are your top three favorite text expander snippets?

[00:17:08] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: For our first question, please tell us what is Text Expander and what are your top three favorite text expander

[00:17:15] Jeff Gamet: snippets.

[00:17:16] Jeff Gamet: All right. Text Expander is a, it's like a prote productivity tool that I use as, as part of my daily routine in writing for people. And what it does is it lets you take. The things that are repetitive that involve you typing in some way and automates those things for you. So at its most basic level, it's, it's like a keystroke expander.

[00:17:41] Jeff Gamet: So you have an abbreviation, you type the abbreviation, and then that magically turns into like a full word and at the other end of the extreme, You type in whatever that abbreviation is, now it starts automating all of these other things for you. So you can use it anywhere along that spectrum and, and get value out of it.

[00:18:03] Jeff Gamet: It started initially as a tool for the Mac and. It has since expanded out so that there's a, an iPhone and iPad version. There's a Windows version. I think there's an Android version. I think you're right on that. Yeah. Since I'm not in that ecosystem, I'm not a hundred

[00:18:21] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: percent sure. So well then tell us what are your three

[00:18:24] Jeff Gamet: favorite snippets?

[00:18:26] Jeff Gamet: My three favorite snippets, this might sound mundane, however, the mundane is oftentimes in a case like this, the most valuable. Right. Because it's the thing that you're just doing all the time. So the first snippet that I have on my list, it's my email signature. Yep. Do the same and, and, okay, so here's what I did with my email signature.

[00:18:47] Jeff Gamet: Granted, knowing that every email application lets you build your signatures right. In the application. Mm-hmm. For me, I, I don't want that cuz if I'm gonna switch my email application, I don't want have to change out all my signatures. Like right now I'm using Apple's mail, right? If I could find something that did everything that I need better than Apple mail, I would drop it in a heartbeat and move, but I haven't found that yet.

[00:19:11] Jeff Gamet: But I'm ready for when it happens. So the, uh, the signature snippet I made, it's universal. So I can use it for personal and business, right? And I can choose which phone number it's going to show. I can choose what social media platforms it's going to list. It just, it has all this stuff built into it. So when I type my abbreviation, I.

[00:19:33] Jeff Gamet: I then choose what I actually want to be in the signature for that specific email, and then what shows up is now this, I'll call it a customized version of my signature, but it's more personalized for that specific email.

[00:19:49] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Pardon the interruption. I hope you're enjoying this episode. Consider sharing this show with others, and please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your download feeds.

[00:19:57] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: If you're listening directly from our blog, consider buying us a cup of coffee or two from the link on our blog to help the phrase some of the production costs. Thanks again, and enjoy. So, well, let me ask you, what is your, well, first of all for the listener, what is a

[00:20:11] Jeff Gamet: snippet? A snippet is the, the thing that you're expanding.

[00:20:16] Jeff Gamet: So you have your abbreviation. And you type that, let's say my abbreviation is, it is like A, B, C. Okay. And when I type A, b, c, it, it changes into whatever the snippet would be. So since it's a, B, C, maybe it's like, like, welcome to our new alphabet podcast.

[00:20:36] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Right. So what is the snippet you use for your email?

[00:20:39] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: The

[00:20:39] Jeff Gamet: snippet that I use for my email is mm-hmm. Combination of text that I've put into the snippet, and then it actually has a nested snippet. So I have another snippet that all I do is put phone numbers in. Okay.

[00:20:54] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So hold on. Let's go. I wanna go back a step. So what is the trigger phrase you use for your email?

[00:20:59] Jeff Gamet: The trigger phrase that I use is comma D S I G. Okay. So it's comma dsig.

[00:21:05] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And can I guess that you use commas. To start all of your snippets,

[00:21:12] Jeff Gamet: you can guess that and you'd be absolutely correct.

[00:21:15] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I do something similar. Most of my snippets are usually start with a period and then whatever I want, but we'll get back to that in a minute for my email, if I'm sending out.

[00:21:26] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: My work email, it's always Michael at, and then it populates out into eisenberg law office.com. My email, if I'm doing it for the blog and the podcast I type Michael DJ at, and then it will do the tech savvy lawyer.page. And you mentioned phone a moment ago. How do you populate that?

[00:21:44] Jeff Gamet: All right, so I have one snippet.

[00:21:46] Jeff Gamet: Mm-hmm. That's my various phone numbers. And, and that's because typically I, I want to choose a specific no phone number in a specific instance. Okay. I have multiple snippets where I need to do this. So instead of having to go and add or change phone numbers across multiple snippets, I made the one that's just the phone numbers.

[00:22:05] Jeff Gamet: And now

[00:22:07] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: if I, do you have a dropdown where you can pick the one you want to populate? Yes. Okay. So we've talked about a snippet coming out with a phrase or an email I type Michael at, and then my whole email, Michael Eisenberg law office law office.com, pops out. So you have multiple phone numbers. And actually I didn't even think of this myself cause I do it a different way and we'll talk about that in a second.

[00:22:29] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: But you have multiple phone numbers and you don't wanna create five different snippets for five different phone numbers each. You're creating one snippet that gives you the option of five different phone numbers. Could you explain, please, how you do that? Sure.

[00:22:44] Jeff Gamet: All right. So when you're making a snippet, you can put more than just text in there and you can add things like pop-up menus and fill in the blank fields, video buttons, and for selections.

[00:22:55] Jeff Gamet: And, and so what I did was I made a snippet that's just a pop-up menu, and that pop-up menu is populated with the phone numbers.

[00:23:05] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So your phone number, your cell number, your fax number, your secretary's number, your someone else's number, et cetera, I, I get

[00:23:15] Jeff Gamet: it. The main line to the office, right?

[00:23:18] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: All concern there.

[00:23:19] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Yep. For the listeners' sake, you also have the ability to make one phone number, but your particular preference. Yes. So that if there's one number that use a lot, that's the one that's going to be highlighted first, but you still have the option of choosing, say the other four, right?

[00:23:33] Jeff Gamet: Yes. Excellent, excellent.

[00:23:35] Jeff Gamet: Yeah, so I've got all of those in that one snippet, and then in every other snippet that I've created where phone, my phone number choices need to be an option for me, I just nest it in the snippet. That's just the popup menu. Phone numbers. And so now whenever I invoke one of these other snippets, like in, in this case, my email signature, instead of just having everything boom drop into the email, at the end, I get this window that pops up.

[00:24:04] Jeff Gamet: Mm-hmm. Now in the window, I can choose which phone number, if it's different from the default that I want. Right. And then I have check boxes for other things that I may or may not want to show. So like social media handles, right? And then after I've selected the phone number that I want turned on or off various social medias, I just click okay.

[00:24:28] Jeff Gamet: And then what I have chosen as part of the signature, that's what appears in the email.

[00:24:35] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And I have something similar but not as complex as yours. Cuz like for my law practice, I have a snippet. So if I'm like on a different email platform, like on Google Mail for some reason, or if I'm filling out a form or responding to something like on an online platform mm-hmm.

[00:24:51] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I just type dot a short for salutation and then my whole law firm salutation comes out with my name, my address. Firm name, email, fax number. Phone number, and not necessarily in the order. And then also a confidentiality clause and mm-hmm non-disclosure clause and a B green clause that will just automatically populate out and format for me will just the simple typing of those four characters, the period and the s a l.

[00:25:22] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So if I heard you correctly, we have. Phone number, email and salutation. So those are your top three favorite Texas bender snippets? Yes. That's good. Yeah. Was there one more you wanted to add in there? Did we skip one, that one or two? Well,

[00:25:38] Jeff Gamet: because sometimes I like to be prepared in case need to, I'm an overachiever sometimes that that's what it comes down to.

[00:25:45] Jeff Gamet: Nothing's wrong with that. All right. So I have a bonus for you. Please. One second. And uh, and the bonus is that I have created a snippet that generates a script for me. One, one of the things I do with some of my clients is moderate webinars for them. And you need a script for what the moderator does.

[00:26:02] Jeff Gamet: Okay? So I've built all the elements of that script. Into a snippet, and then I have form elements in there so I can fill in the names of the companies and the people that are on the panels and that kind of stuff. And then when I click, okay, I have this document that's. Generated with all of the appropriate stuff for this specific webinar that's built into all of the things that would be standard for the webinar.

[00:26:28] Jeff Gamet: So I can show up for a webinar where someone says, we forgot to create the script for this event. And I can say, okay, who's in? Great, I've got their names. And what companies do we need? Great, I've got that. Do you have bios for me? Great. I'll copy and paste that in. Click okay. And then I say, I'm ready. And now they're sitting there like, holy crap.

[00:26:49] Jeff Gamet: He just wrote a whole script for an hour long webinar in 30 seconds. So for

[00:26:54] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: the listener's sake, and this is one of the great functions of tax expanders, so imagine that you have a mad lips. Game where that comes out with a, with a page, a story. So I'll set up and all I gotta do is fill in the blanks of the names, the adjectives, the numbers, other important details into the boxes, and it allows you to create your own Mad Libs game, if you will.

[00:27:19] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Particular situation. Every time you're gonna have like a meeting with a client, or if you say, need to kick out an engagement letter or a common response that you might send to a client and or opposing counsel, and it basically you type the snippet, say in my case or in your, we'll say in your case, we'll say in your case response, and it will pop up this window and allow you to fill in the blanks.

[00:27:43] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And then hit return, and it will automatically populate out into your email or onto a Word document so that you don't have to worry about going back and formatting everything, or just simply finding the right file to, mm-hmm. Hit save as and make sure that you populate out correctly, all the different.

[00:28:02] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Because sometimes you forget one or you can't find it and it's just all there for you. One nice little set setting. Yes.

[00:28:09] Jeff Gamet: And so one of the reasons I love doing it this way is because one of the things that, that I've seen over the years that's really common for people is that when they have something like that, which is like, like some sort of document, Where a lot of it stays the same.

[00:28:24] Jeff Gamet: Mm-hmm. Maybe some names some days, right. A topic, whatever is going to change. They'll have a word file and now they're going in and just looking through the word file for the things that they need to change. Right. And then they miss stuff. Right. And yeah. For someone like me, where I'm writing a script mm-hmm.

[00:28:40] Jeff Gamet: Maybe I can roll with it, but what if it's a document where you actually have to send that file to someone else? Yeah. You don't want like another client's name in the middle of it, or the wrong dates.

[00:28:52] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Or it's yet like the social security or date of birth or right banking information. You don't want that.

[00:28:57] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: This way helps prevent just a little extra layer of pro prevention and protection to make sure that you don't inadvertently miss a box. Cuz quite frankly, if you miss the box with the text expander snippet, you're gonna have a big blank and that's gonna look obvious to you. So hopefully you'll catch it, right?

[00:29:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So let's move on to

[00:29:14] Question #2: What are your top three favorite unusual snippets that people might not expect a program like Text Expander to do?

[00:29:14] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: question number two. What are your top three favorite unusual snippets that people might not expect a program like Text Expander to do? I like that you

[00:29:22] Jeff Gamet: came up with this question. I just have to let you know, because this, for me, it's one of those things where I can say, oh, here's this really weird thing that I'm doing, but it's not weird.

[00:29:31] Jeff Gamet: After you realize, wait, that's a thing you can do. All right. Excellent. Exactly. First one. I get URLs all the time. Mm-hmm. Have the stub on them. All that extra tracking info and stuff. Yeah. That I actually don't need F with U R L. So I can copy that U R L and then use a snippet that analyzes what's on my clipboard vines, where the stub begins and deletes all of that.

[00:29:57] Jeff Gamet: And then it pays just what I need, and it's using JavaScript. So you can actually put code in a snippet, and as long as the snippet knows that it's supposed to be code and it's a setting you can choose, when you create the snippet, then it knows that it needs to actually run the code. So in this case, it's JavaScript that looks for all the identifiers that indicate the beginning of, of where the stub.

[00:30:23] Jeff Gamet: Would be, and then it just puts everything from that point forward and leaves you with just the clean url. So me so much time. So

[00:30:33] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: tell me, how does that work in the sense of, I'm on a webpage, I want a copy, the web address, I hit control L, that will take me and automatically select the web address. I hit command C normally to make a copy of it.

[00:30:49] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So what I hit, what would I do next? Or how does that work? How does that workflow work

[00:30:53] Jeff Gamet: for you? For me, once I have that whole u r url, right, copied. Okay. Then I know I'm pacing it somewhere. Mm-hmm. I go to wherever it is that I'm going to paste. Look where that U R URL ultimately needs to go. Okay. Now I type my abbreviation.

[00:31:10] Jeff Gamet: All that appears there is the clean U R L. Gotcha.

[00:31:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So I wanna go back just a step. Is there, I have to guess that. In a sense, in the more computer savvy area of the world that what you're doing is not unusual. For me. It's not unusual. But that being said, I'm guessing that there's gonna be a clearinghouse somewhere of people who share their text expander snippets.

[00:31:36] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Do, do you have any suggestions?

[00:31:37] Jeff Gamet: I would go to the text expander website. Okay. They have a whole shared area there and so you can just go and find snippets and like whole groups of snippets that relate to whatever it is that you need. And then you can select them and then have them install into text, expand on your computer.

[00:31:59] Jeff Gamet: So they're just there. And then once you've got them, you can do with them as you please. You can like modify 'em and make, make 'em custom for you.

[00:32:07] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Including making your own trigger for 'em

[00:32:10] Jeff Gamet: and Yes, and making your own trigger for them too. Yep.

[00:32:12] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So I got one. We need two more.

[00:32:14] Jeff Gamet: Okay. So my next one is, I call it my invoice snippet.

[00:32:20] Jeff Gamet: Okay. So when it's time for me to send an email invoice to my my clients. While I can use my invoicing platform to do that whole process for me, I'm using text expander for that because I'm actually generating my invoice as a PDF because the, I have this whole workflow, so I want the physical file of the invoice, and so that just doesn't work with a automatic system that's built into my, my invoicing system, so, I generate my pdf, now I go to my email application, put my cursor in the two field.

[00:32:57] Jeff Gamet: Mm-hmm. Type the abbreviation for , my invoicing, and it pops up with a form where I choose which client it is then, and then I choose what type of project it is. Mm-hmm. If there's like a project code that goes along with where I've been writing, there's a field for that and, and then, There's a field where if it's for one of my clients', clients, because do some writing for content creation agencies.

[00:33:24] Jeff Gamet: Right? Right. Then I can pick which of their clients it is as well, and, and then when I click okay, it starts in the two field. Fills in the email address. Mm-hmm. Jumps to the subject field, generates the, the subject based on the everything else that I've already selected. And then it jumps into the, the message body field fills in everything there, uh, puts the date for today because today's when I'm sending it and, and drops the cursor.

[00:33:54] Jeff Gamet: Right. Oh, and it also takes that email signature snippet that I use. Yep. Embeds that in there. So now I also get to choose wh what info I want as part of the email signature. So when I finally click, okay, it takes all of this stuff. Yeah, generates everything for me. Leaves the cursor sitting right where I'm going to drop in that, that pdf and if I really wanted to, I could make some JavaScript that would automatically grab that PDF for me as well.

[00:34:24] Jeff Gamet: I just, I gotten around to doing that, but anyhow, so it's type of snippet, fill in a few fields, click okay. And I've. And I have a complete email done.

[00:34:33] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: You do something similar that I do in my practice when I make a notice of appeal to Department of Veterans Affairs. I have a fax snippet set up so that when I like you, I go to the two button and I type in.va appeal, and a pop-up box will show up and it will have pre-programmed in it to the two field.

[00:34:54] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: To the Board of Veterans Appeals to the VA Intake Center, and then also it will have a re of the veteran's name, and then it goes to, it will populate out for the date of the denial or decision that the veteran's social security number, et cetera, and then go down, say to your va, please find following.

[00:35:13] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: The form mentioned forums and whatnot that need to be attached with this. And then of course, some other language. And so that just automatically pops out with me just typing in a couple of characters and then filling it in the pop-up menu, the veteran's social security number, his name, his email address, and then that all just populates out for me so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel.

[00:35:33] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Just like what you're talking about, there's a lot of practical uses for what you're talking about, especially for lawyers. Uh, tell us what

[00:35:40] Jeff Gamet: is your third, okay. So I'm going to preface this with everything that, that we've talked about today involves any sort of, uh, scripting, additional coding to make it work.

[00:35:51] Jeff Gamet: Mm-hmm. All that stuff's been using JavaScript. So it's cross platform. This is the one Mac only thing that I have for you. Okay. And this is a snippet that has AppleScript in it. And when I type the, my shortcut for that, It toggles my computer between light mode and dark mode. And you don't even have to have your cursor in any sort of field.

[00:36:13] Jeff Gamet: Like I could just be in the finder, nothing's selected. Mm-hmm. Type the snippet and the Apple script runs and I'm toggled if I'm in light mode and I'm in dark mode.

[00:36:21] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: But why would you I an Apple script. So it's an Apple script to still from the two modes. Why would you want

[00:36:26] Jeff Gamet: that first? Because it's cool to show people you can do it.

[00:36:29] Jeff Gamet: Okay. But then second, uh, most of what I do. I'm in light mode all the time. I just prefer the interface. Right? Okay. But if I'm working like later at night and there's just too much bright, then I'll just toggle into dark mode. So all my menus and everything, they're dark and it's a little easier on my eyes.

[00:36:46] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: So I wasn't trying to insult you by saying, by asking why I'm trying, no, it'ss a legit

[00:36:50] Jeff Gamet: question,

[00:36:50] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: why I'm trying to do that. I'm trying to send the utility. So I guess that would save you from having to take your mouse, figure out where the light mo dark mode switch is, which quite frankly, I couldn't even tell you where it is cause I just keep my stuff in dark mode just to keep it easy on my eyes.

[00:37:05] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: But I can understand that I just, again, I'm just trying to understand, and of course I would think on a Windows device, you could use some sort of toggling in the sense of dimming your screen to a particular brightness level at later in the day. Like you have it at a hundred percent bright, but you wanna just knock it to 70%.

[00:37:22] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Just type in the snippet. Making sure that your Java is programmed accordingly. Sure. Then

[00:37:26] Jeff Gamet: you'd be able to do the

[00:37:27] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: same thing, and so your last answer sort of bleeds into our third question because. I have a feeling that a lot of listeners are thinking, well, Mike prefers Mac over windows, and Jeff seems to be a Mac guy too.

[00:37:43] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: But with the exception of the last answer, all of your prior answers in our prior discussions are universal. That yes, they can be used on both Windows and Mac versions of text expander and from. Our basic understanding that includes also iOS and Android. So that being said, let's go directly into the Windows environment.

[00:38:05] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I know you are a Mac person being the editor of the Mac Observer and part of many Mac podcasts. Well, I

[00:38:11] Jeff Gamet: was the editor, the Mac observer.

[00:38:14] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry you were the editor. I

[00:38:16] Jeff Gamet: apologize. I apologize. It's okay. I, the reason I point that out is because the current managing editor. He's a really good guy and he's really good at what he does, and I don't want to take away from any of the hard work that he's

[00:38:31] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: doing, and I wasn't trying to do that, and I respect that completely and shout out to him.

[00:38:38] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: That being said,

[00:38:39] Question #3: What are your top three favorite Windows-based shortcuts?

[00:38:39] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: what are your three top favorite window based shortcuts?

[00:38:43] Jeff Gamet: Okay. Once again, we fall into the mundane because it's stuff that you do all the time. Fair enough. And, and the top of my list is focus assist. Okay. Because I feel like there's just so many things that are popping up mm-hmm. And happening all the time.

[00:38:58] Jeff Gamet: It sometimes can feel like just trying to get work done. It's more like playing a video game. And using Focus Assist is a really great way to just start filtering out all of those distractions. All right, so that's one. Mm-hmm. Gotta get two more. Alright, so my next one I will preface this with, there's this thing that I came up with long ago when Touch on Interfaces.

[00:39:22] Jeff Gamet: First started really being a thing on our smartphones, and I call it economy of motion. And if the more you have to do. To get to whatever the thing is that you want to do. You're, you are chipping away at your economy emotion. Okay? So I want to minimize all of that. And for me, pinning to the task bar in improves economy emotion, so the, the apps or documents, whatever that I need to access.

[00:39:52] Jeff Gamet: All the time. Mm-hmm. I just put them right in the task bar. Okay. And see. Totally mundane. Yeah. But the number of clicks that I cut out, it's. Just, it's surprising how quickly that that extra click count can add up.

[00:40:08] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And I recently learned that on your finder bar on your Mac, you can actually tack applications on the bar, on the finder bar itself.

[00:40:19] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: On the top of the finder. Oh yeah. And I didn't,

[00:40:21] Jeff Gamet: I didn't know that. You can put applications and the documents and other folders in the, if you

[00:40:26] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: want. I, I had no idea. I literally learned this the other day. I didn't know I had the ability to do it. I know that like certain programs sometimes pop up on their, like for instance, Dropbox or what's the, the one I'm looking for, default, folder X will sort of pop them, pop themselves on there.

[00:40:41] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I didn't know I had the ability to put my own on there until I came across something in one of my artist feeds that I was going through, but, It's interesting how Windows and Mac are becoming a little bit more similar. Not in every aspect, some aspects. All right, so that's two. I need one more.

[00:41:00] Jeff Gamet: Sticking with my theme of the mundane.

[00:41:04] Jeff Gamet: Surprisingly useful. It's the window snapping organization. In Windows when you use a large monitor. Mm-hmm. Or multiple monitors, it's so easy to have all of those different windows for documents and applications just turn into this pile and the amount of time that you can spend just trying to find the one thing you really need.

[00:41:27] Jeff Gamet: Yeah. Yep. It's stupid, and this is one place where I feel like Windows has nailed it down better than Mac Os because it's really easy to take all of your windows and get them snapped where you want them so you have a more organized desktop and you can find what you're looking for faster.

[00:41:45] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Excellent, excellent.

[00:41:46] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Again, everything that you've mentioned, I think there is some sort of shortcut, if you will on a Mac. And like you say, when you get rid of some of the mundane and just make it kind of seamless if you will, and just happen instantaneously, it's amazing how much time you save when you get those things taken care of early on.

[00:42:06] Jeff Gamet: Oh, yeah. And there's so many really cool flashy things that you could do, and I could have picked. Other things. What it really comes down to for me is what are the things that make it more efficient for me? Reduce the number of clicks, right? Right. And just let me operate faster and with fewer distractions.

[00:42:25] Jeff Gamet: And if you can give me those things. Those are winning features. Well, I

[00:42:29] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: think then I'm gonna have to have you back and we're gonna talk about the flashy things that you can do with like text expander and shortcuts on windows and shortcuts on Max. That sounds like a lot of fun. We, we will geek out a little bit more and I hope that the listener is learning and getting ideas.

[00:42:46] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And of course the listener's always welcome to contact me, but also

[00:42:50] Where you can find Jeff!

[00:42:50] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Jeff, where can

[00:42:51] Jeff Gamet: people find you? It's easiest to get ahold of me like right away on social media. Okay. So the places that I'm most active right now. Mm-hmm. Mastodon and Instagram. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jay Gamut on both of those. You can search other social medias and I've probably already grabbed the J Gamut handle, so.

[00:43:09] Jeff Gamet: Gotcha. You'll find me, but you may not get a response from me. And, uh, then how about some shows.

[00:43:16] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Please, I'll be, I'll be sure to put these in the show notes

[00:43:18] Jeff Gamet: too. Okay, cool. Alright, so I do Mac Voices Live. Mm-hmm. That's Chuck Joiner show. Yep. And so that, that's typically on Tuesday evenings. Then on Thursday evenings I do in Touch with iOS, with Dave Ginsburg, and then I am hosting a joke that I am the interim host on a couple shows on the British Tech Network.

[00:43:40] Jeff Gamet: I'm assuming at some point the actual original host, you and Rankin. Will come back. And at that point I will no longer be the interim host, but we're talking what, like three years now of interim hosting. Anyhow, on Thursdays I do a live show called The Big Show, and it's a general technology show. Okay.

[00:44:00] Jeff Gamet: And it's like a bunch of people that just get together, hang out and, and talk tech. And then on Fridays I am interim hosting the Mac show. So it's the same thing just focused on, on the Apple ecosystem. And, and then I'm also doing a show with my longtime friend and, and former coworker, grant Chaffin called The Context Machine.

[00:44:24] Jeff Gamet: Yeah. Which is general. I mean, originally the idea was it was general just about technology. But it's general about whatever we're excited about in the moment and fair enough. And the, and yeah, I think that's a good list right there.

[00:44:41] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Were there any others Said, by the way, I say, I had said, fair enough. Not, I wasn't trying to, I wasn't like, diminishing your podcast.

[00:44:47] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I'm like you, it's your podcast. You gotta figure out what it is you wanna do with it. And if you start off with one thing and realize, actually it might be better doing this instead than you're the driver of this.

[00:44:59] Jeff Gamet: Funny you should say that, because the context machine. Mm-hmm. Very quickly, the history of it.

[00:45:03] Jeff Gamet: It started as a show long ago, like when podcasting was a brand new thing, and a friend of mine, Ricky Spiro, was just, he has one of those voices where he could read the phone book and you would pay to listen. He would just read some news stories and then he decided at some point, well, it should be more than that.

[00:45:21] Jeff Gamet: So let's get some context in here. And as an experiment, he asked me to come on and provide my perspective on a couple of the news stories he was reading. Okay. Which very quickly evolved into I was Ricky's co-host. Oh, cool. Cool. And so it was a, at that point it was all about Apple related stuff. And then Ricky left to go on.

[00:45:43] Jeff Gamet: To become like a, like an amazing engineer. And then it was my show. Mm-hmm. Brian came in and so we mixed it up and it became just about the context of the news and, and then eventually when I moved on from working at Mac Observers mm-hmm. Or, and do some new things, it went off in whatever direction it was going.

[00:46:04] Jeff Gamet: After the Mac Observ was sold, Brian got to keep the show and he called me and he says, I've got this show. Do you want to do something? And so it evolved again and it became us talking about whatever we wanted. Cool. So do with, do with your show what you want. A

[00:46:19] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: and that's what I hope that the listener will learn.

[00:46:23] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: And I, we've talked off mic about a program that I'm gonna be teaching at. Through Carolyn el my shingle.com about starting your own podcast and lawyers out there. It's a great way for you to educate other people about you and the area of law that you practice in the same sense that you get to focus on what you like to talk about.

[00:46:43] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Jeff and his other various co-hosts talk a lot about the various projects and interests they have. So consider doing your own podcast, and I will be talking more about that on other podcasts on the Tech Savvy letter page podcast, and of course, I'm sure Jeff covers that now and then on some of his podcasts.

[00:47:03] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: I encourage you to follow Jeff and hopefully you'll continue listening to my podcast as well. I think. On that note, I want to thank you again for being on you. Have a great day, and we look forward to hearing from you

[00:47:15] Jeff Gamet: soon. Thank you again for having me on. This has been so much fun and we should have done this sooner.

[00:47:22] Jeff Gamet: This is so

[00:47:22] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: much fun. Yes, it was my, that was my fault. And by the way, for the listener, Jeff and I met through David Ginsburg of InTouch with iOS on his podcast that I know that I've posted my appearances on this blog and hopefully, Dave will invite me back and hopefully maybe Jeff will enlight me on one of his shows and hopefully, regardless the listener will continue to listen to my podcast and get into some of Jeff's podcasts as well.

[00:47:50] Jeff Gamet: And you are always welcome on any show that I can sneak you into.

[00:47:54] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Oh, you're very kind. And again, I wanna say thank you, Jeff, and have a great day. Thank you for joining me on this episode of the Tech Savvy lawyer.page podcast. Our next episode will be posted in about two weeks. If you have any ideas about a future episode, please contact me at Michael DJ at the Tech Savvy lawyer.page.

[00:48:12] Michael D.J. Eisenberg: Have a great day and happy Lawyering.